Re: Cataclysm - SPOILER ALERT

Unread post by **Kharzak** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:58 pm

the grim is the third faction

Yichimet · Unread post by **Yichimet** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:56 pm

Really, shouldn't we (as in our characters we) all WANT Garrosh as warchief? He's saying what we've been saying all along: wipe 'em out, they're a pestilence on us and the land. It's just that the players behind the characters kind of think he's a douchebag. Or at least I do, heh.

I posted over on the TN forums but I've read a lot of speculation floating around and more and more of this makes sense. It's a stretch for tauren paladins, but that'd at least give me the opportunity to play a Horde paladin without rolling a pinkskin, heh. There's a little flavor quest in 3.2 that has tauren talking about sun worship and how current druidism is basically just what the night elves want it to be, and it's not a far leap from sun worship to "wielding the power of the light," although I would hope it stays sun worship and not Light with a capital l (and then I only have to explain away game mechanics, heh). And troll druid--HELL YES. That's almost as good as goblins joining the Horde.

I also find the idea of meaningful leveling appealing--I think it's a shame they didn't take it the whole way and give us a tier of raiding per level. Like, they only let us level to 81 the first patch with all it entails, and then the next patch is released with new content and we can level up while raiding, and etc. I find that way more compelling as a way of character development than the "get to level cap and progress via gear" method they use now.

But really, I think what we'll find is that some of this is true and some of it false and we'll find out more in a week.

Unread post by **Cristok** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:17 pm

Yichimet wrote:
Like, they only let us level to 81 the first patch with all it entails, and then the next patch is released with new content and we can level up while raiding, and etc.

oh hell yes that'd be neat-o

Unread post by **Malkaris** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:45 pm

Really, shouldn't we (as in our characters we) all WANT Garrosh as warchief? He's saying what we've been saying all along: wipe 'em out, they're a pestilence on us and the land. It's just that the players behind the characters kind of think he's a douchebag. Or at least I do, heh.

Eh. Malk doesn't care. dude's so old that he's seen plenty of kings and leaders come and go. Now granted, he think's that if Garrosh ever became leader of the horde, it'd be a bad thing as Garrosh is governed by his bloodlust, not the other way around. Make Garrosh mad and theres a pretty good chance he'll do something stupid. If the Alliance capitalize on this...dun dun dun XD

So basically...if you wanna go kill stuff, send in Garrosh, but don't make him the head honcho O.o wouldn't be surprising if he overlooks things just to go rip out some pink skin's guts XD.
And yes. Personally, I think Garrosh is a douchebag trying to fill daddy's shoes O.o but eh XD

Saurfang for Warchief

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Unread post by **Kharzak** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:04 am

Yichimet wrote:Really, shouldn't we (as in our characters we) all WANT Garrosh as warchief? He's saying what we've been saying all along: wipe 'em out, they're a pestilence on us and the land. It's just that the players behind the characters kind of think he's a douchebag. Or at least I do, heh.

true, but if the fact listed in there that he assassinates cairn under false pretenses isn't good. cairn isn't bloodthirsty or anything like that but he has been nothing but a solid member of the horde offering assistance when asked and advice when needed

garrosh seems like he's hard but honestly i think he's just an idiot

Unread post by **Kazthul** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:43 am

Cristok wrote:
I think most of this is just speculation. I dont trust the original post that all these rumors are sprouting from. Maybe truth to lots, but this may -also- be BLizz's way of market research on lore. Mebee their guaging the nerd rage ya know?

It could be speculation, but the guy doesn't make a habit of putting bullshit up on the front page as far as memory serves and gets good scoops. He claims it's gonna be announced at Blizzcon, so I guess we'll know if he's full of shit or not next week.

Lets look at it from another perspective. Blizz has recently been catering to a lot of player requests. The biggest and baddest of them all I'd say is a flyable Azeroth. Its the mother of all requests. They've said countless times they'd rather focus on new content. Well, its pushing 5 years deep in WoW, you're gonna have to turn this game on its head to keep people here, so you fuck up the world a bit, revamp everything, take what we know about this game and throw it out the window and give us a whole new experience to deal with.

We're not gonna know how to level our alts anymore, where to go and what to do, this would be alot more than just tacking on 5 levels of content, your talking about 1 - 85. You really think all the old quest givers are gonna give a shit about whatever shells or eyeballs they wanted you to collect when their town is submerged under water, half the people they know are dead and everybody is clamoring about to survive?

I know for me, I was feeling burnt a little, but this idea has reknewed a consideral amount of interests. If this isn't whats in store for us, I am truly disappointed.

Oh, and isn't that the mother of all reasons to convert Azeroth to truly 3D flyable?

Unread post by **Muatah** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:11 am

Malkaris wrote: wouldn't be surprising if he overlooks things just to go rip out some pink skin's guts XD.

My kinda guy.

gurthoira · Unread post by **gurthoira** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:08 pm

Cristok wrote:
Yichimet wrote:
Like, they only let us level to 81 the first patch with all it entails, and then the next patch is released with new content and we can level up while raiding, and etc.
oh hell yes that'd be neat-o

this is what the makers of the stargate mmo say they are going to do. if it works well there im sure other mmo will think about doing this too.

Unread post by **Araun** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:59 pm

Saurfang can't be warchief because he will be dead by the end of this expansion; that's not a spoiler, I'm just sayin'. He'll pop in during the Arthas encounter to go completely berserk and smash the Lich King good and hard in the face, giving us some kind of opportunity. And then Arthas kills him. Or something; either way, he's doomed, mark my words. Jaina is probably next, since her story kind of begins and ends with Arthas.

Someone on TNG suggested that Thrall leaves Cairne in charge, but Magatha and Garrosh scheme to assassinate him, which would be totally awesome. Imagine Garrosh on the throne in Orgrimmar with an honour guard of Grimtotem. The problem with that, of course, is all those quests out in the world where you have to kill Grimtotem... better hope the Warchief doesn't hear about you doing that.

Thrall becoming Guardian of Tirisfal is just absurd, as if he wasn't Mary Sue enough already.

Also, isn't it time for Anduin Wrynn to grow up? He's been ten for about five years now. I'd like to see him have, you know, a personality and maybe push back against his axe-crazy father a bit.

Unread post by **Syreenna** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:17 pm

Kelven wrote: Thrall becoming Guardian of Tirisfal is just absurd, as if he wasn't Mary Sue enough already.

I thought the Guardians were always mages. Also, the Council sure has taken their time in choosing a new guardian since Medivh. Why now? Maybe Sargeras is going to try to come through to Azeroth again next expansion!

Unread post by **Araun** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:41 pm

Syreena wrote:
Kelven wrote: Thrall becoming Guardian of Tirisfal is just absurd, as if he wasn't Mary Sue enough already.
I thought the Guardians were always mages. Also, the Council sure has taken their time in choosing a new guardian since Medivh. Why now? Maybe Sargeras is going to try to come through to Azeroth again next expansion!

Given the theme so far, I actually expect Sargeras - and the rest of the titans - to show up in the expansion AFTER Cataclysm, returning to Azeroth to have a final showdown with each other. In my dream version, the heroes of Azeroth rise up and slaughter BOTH sides, thus freeing the universe from the Burning Legion and further Titanic meddling forever.

(Eviller version: the Naaru show up with their "army of light", having waited for this opportunity for millennia - they adopted a false pacifism and let the Legion consume world after world in order to draw all the Titans and Sargeras into one place where they could strike and eliminate them all, thereby destroying the root of a hundred thousand wars.)

Jaina would be a good candidate for Guardian, but she likely dies in Icecrown. Maybe it'll go to Rhonin, because clearly we don't hate him enough already. But yeah, I wonder what scares Dalaran so much they decide it's time for a new Guardian...

Agrovale · Unread post by **Agrovale** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:56 pm

I have to admit Kelven's take on the assassination is pretty cool. That I can run with. What would be cooler is after that happens Magetha is struck down by the Vengence Spirit that was supposedly killed by us guilable pcs. Thus Garrosh is sole leader of the Horde. Until he stubs his toe, says the alliance was behind it, and commits gnomish genocide.

The only thing scary enough to get a new Guardian of Tirisfal is Sargeras and Azshara joining forces once again. Thrall as guardian, as I said before, is utter dumbshit. Like Alliance jumping around on mailboxes naked dumbshit.

Yichimet · Unread post by **Yichimet** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:07 pm

Kelven! That was me saying that on TNG. I stole it from someone on EJ, though. But hell yeah, it would be an awesome situation. Because you're right--Saurfang is biting it this expansion. Bummer.

Unread post by **Kharzak** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:10 pm

Kelven wrote: Saurfang can't be warchief because he will be dead by the end of this expansion; that's not a spoiler, I'm just sayin'. He'll pop in during the Arthas encounter to go completely berserk and smash the Lich King good and hard in the face, giving us some kind of opportunity. And then Arthas kills him. Or something;

this was similar to my thought. tirion will do the same thing since really the only thing that has been able to successfully hurt arthas has been the ashbringer

Unread post by **Araun** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:14 pm

Yichimet wrote: Kelven! That was me saying that on TNG. I stole it from someone on EJ, though. But hell yeah, it would be an awesome situation. Because you're right--Saurfang is biting it this expansion. Bummer.

Well, that explains why I thought it was an awesome idea.